Gen16 Buffed Bronze DS Cymbal Set - 13" Hi-hats, 16" Crash, 18" Crash Ride

Acoustic Electric Buffed Bronze DS Cymbal Set with 13" Hi Hat Pair, 16" Crash, 18" Crash Ride, Gen16 Pickups, Digital Cymbal Processor, Cables, and Mounting Kit
Gen16 Buffed Bronze DS Cymbal Set - 13
Gen16 Buffed Bronze DS Cymbal Set - 13
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Gen16 DS Cymbal Set in Buffed Bronze!

Play electronic drums? Sweetwater's got your cymbals! Crafted in partnership with Avedis Zildjian, Gen16 acoustic-electric cymbals are real cymbals that play at reduced volume - up to 70% less volume, thanks to a unique perforated pattern. That means you can play them exactly how you play any other cymbal, using any stick, mallet, or technique. The full decay is there, and they respond to your every playing nuance. Gen16 Buffed Bronze cymbals give you a warmer, richer sound than Gen16's original nickel plated cymbals. Get real cymbal feel and sound at reduced volume, with Gen16 Buffed Bronze.

Cutting-edge technology and traditional Zildjian craftsmanship

In an acoustic-electric setup, the discrete pickup system in the cymbal mount picks up the sound of the cymbals and sends it to the DSP engine, where your cymbal output is amplified and tone-shaped to perfection. Finally, you can make playing your electronic kit as fun as playing your acoustic kit! Many players will want to use them with their acoustic kits for reduced volume in pit work or worship bands. For discriminating drummers who use electronic drums, Gen16 is the obvious choice.

Gen16 Buffed Bronze DS Cymbal Set Features at a Glance:
  • Includes a 13" Hi Hat Pair, 16" Crash, and 18" Crash Ride
  • Warmer, richer sound than Gen16's original nickel plated cymbals
  • Up to 70% less SPL than a comparable acoustic cymbal
  • Acts and responds like a real acoustic cymbal
  • Play with any any stick, mallet, or technique
  • Great for practice or performance situations that require reduced volume
  • Can be used with Gen16 electronics or as an acoustic cymbal
  • Easily accepts rivets, jingles, and other metal fixtures
  • Can be stacked, played upside down, or used with traditional acoustic cymbals
  • Perfect for practice and low-volume rehearsals and performances
  • Includes Gen16 pickups, Digital Cymbal Processor, cables, and mounting kit
  • Two-year warranty on cymbals; one-year warranty on electronics
Get next-gen cymbal technology with Gen16!

Tech Specs

Series Gen16
Crash/Ride 18" Gen16 Buffed Bronze Crash Ride
Crash 1 16" Gen16 Buffed Bronze Crash
Hi Hats 13" Gen16 Buffed Bronze HiHats
Cymbal Triggers 3 x Direct Source pickups with Digital Cymbal Processor
Manufacturer Part Number G16BS2DS

Customer Reviews

4/5
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5/5

Awesome upgrade

We bought these as an upgrade from the rubber cymbals on our Pearl EPro kit. My drummers are thrilled. They play like real cymbals (because they are) but have much softer acoustic volume. The sounds from the processor are great as well.
Music background: Worship Pastor
4.5/5

Gen16 3-pack

No complaints really: Lovely acoustic sound and fine electronic-generated ones as well: maybe more built-in sampled sound options would be good. Also, wish I could get more volume out of the cymbal brain: seems I have most things turned to 10 or close to it. Must be going deaf...
4/5

Zildjian surprised this Paiste man. These are not electronic pads!

I am a picky drummer at heart on gear and prefer Paiste but I use electronics a lot due to volume but I do recognize each company has their pros and cons and these cymbals are a great investment. Many people think Gen 16 Z cymbals are electric cymbals and plug them in using either Roland, Yamaha or any other electric module and have terrible results. That is the worst mistake you can make. They are not made for that. These are low volume cymbals that use a direct pickup. That is why you buy the DSP from Zildjian to use with the Gen 16. You play them exactly like real cymbals and the DSP acts like a guitar pickup and transmits the sound for you. The DSP blends Zildjian sounds with the pickup (like a guitar pickup and effects do) so you can access Zildjian sounds. You can switch between sticks, brushes and mallets without changing settings. My favorite is playing harmonics on real cymbals on soft passages. Plastic electric pad/cymbal cannot reproduce those sounds but these Zildjian's do and I can do swells with mallets then switch to sticks for the rock beat in real time like real cymbals. You can't do that with electronic drums unless you use a foot switch or have time to change settings in the module. These Ziljdian's eliminate this. I also like how quiet these are without the use of electronics and I can use them for low volume settings with muted drums for a different effect in small areas where people want the drums but not the volume. Or just for practice when I don't feel like messing with electronics. People will say that these cymbals don't sound exactly the same as the original Z Cymbals but neither does HD amps produce real Tube amp sound. But people still like the HD amps if they sound well, have what they need and sound close to the real thing. If you want real cymbals that can be used electronically or for low volume settings that sound good then these will fit the bill. Remember that the nickel plated ones are bright sounding and should be discontinued now. If you want warmer sounds then The buff bronze cymbals are the newest and provide a warmer sounding cymbal like other bronze cymbals. The package deals with cymbals, pickups and DSP is reasonable but my only gripe is that these cymbals alone are expensive but it is a niche market and only Zildjian is offering this type of acoustic electric hybrid. Now if Zildjian can fix the low and intermediate cymbal lines to sound great then maybe I will switch back completely but for now I will only play Zildjian Gen 16 and Paiste.
Music background: Experienced 20+ yrs drummer and teacher in various styles.
3.5/5

Zildjian Gen 16

The Zildjian gen 16 has been a great option in place of the Roland digital cymbals. It is a real cymbal and it responds like a real cymbal as far as the dynamic range goes which makes it so much easier to play for the edge up to the bell. It also makes the digital drum set look and feel more like a real kit. However, there is a compromise in the sound which is understandable. But it has made it more fun to play the digital kit for sure.
3/5

Six Month Review

I play drums, for a local church.We switched to e-drums for the stage volume benefit.Our cymbal pads were getting worn, triggering incorrectly, etc..., so we switched to the Zildjian Gen16s.Not only did they look the part, but they were less expensive than ordering a whole new set of TD20/30 cymbals (we have a TD20x).We have three performances (with preceding sound-checks), and one rehearsal, each week.We've been using the 480 and 368 kits, for six months.Here is a little run-down, of real-world usage, for those that may be researching.We got the 480 kit, to test if we actually liked them (mostly, our sound guys).After a few days of playing with them, we ordered the 368 kit (also from Kraft).We use both DCPs.One has hi-hat (hard-panned left) and ride (hard-panned right).The other has 4 crashes (hard-left, 1/4-left, 3/4-right, hard-right).Our sound guys have control for hi-hat, ride, and stereo cymbals (just like the Roland cymbal pads).We use the 13" hi-hat top as a splash, 14" hi-hat, 18" crash, 18" crash/ride as a crash, 20" ride, and 16" crash (this is left to right).The first thing that everyone had an issue with was the "thinness" of the cymbal sounds.When asking Zildjian support, about it, we received this reply...Please keep in mind with the Gen16 system that the thinness that is heard is because the cymbals do not have the lower frequencies that are normally heard in traditional cymbals. This is due to the reduction in mass from the hole pattern and it also makes the cymbals quieter too.With the stock sounds, we settled on hi-hat 3 and ride 4 (or was it hi-hat 4 and ride 3?).We ran, like this, for a week or so.We installed the extra sounds, from Zildjian's website.At that point, we started using the Dark cymbal set (19, I think).The sound guys thought those had the most "body" (IE...least "thin").Personally, I'm not a fan of the Dark hi-hat.We ran it, like that, for another couple of weeks.Then, we started fiddling with the cymbal settings (obviously, that's the only way to make them sound the way you really want them to sound).I was at the drums and one of our sound guys was in our broadcast sound booth (enclosed, nearfields, etc...).I had a laptop hooked up to the DCP and we just talked, back-and-forth, as we edited.We started with the Dark cymbals, he told me some adjustments, I made them, and pushed them back to the DCP.We ended up with something that everyone thought was workable.When I pushed the very last setting, back to the DCP, it power-cycled.This was the crashes DCP.It went into a reboot loop and I just unplugged it and let it sit.We had a performance, in a few hours.Hehehe...I got on the phone, but got the Gen16 support voicemail.I did get a call back, an hour or so later.He recommended that I re-flash the firmware (if I could get the DCP to stay on, long enough) and he overnighted a new DCP.I was able to re-flash the firmware and didn't have an issue, for that night's performance.The next day, I got the new DCP, updated the firmware, installed the new cymbals, and updated the cymbal set that we edited.A few days later (I don't recall if it was the next day or the next week - I do know that the first DCP started rebooting on a Wednesday and the second one was on a Thursday), the hi-hat/ride DCP started rebooting.This was during a rehearsal and we had a performance the next night.I was able to re-flash the firmware and we used the Dark cymbals, for the weekend.The next week, Zildjian sent a second DCP replacement (we replaced both purchased units, due to reboot loops).The problem seems to be with the power supply (whether the transformer or something internal, I don't know).We were leaving the DCPs on, all the time (we leave all of our equipment on, all the time).After replacing two DCPs, we started turning them off after each performance.After a couple of months, we had one power-cycle within an hour of being turned on.Since then, we've unplugged the power after each performance.We've been doing that, for a couple of months, without issue.Our edited cymbal sounds are at number 20, so all of our DCP channels are on 20.One night, we had an off-schedule rehearsal (normally on Thursday night, but Thursday was Thanksgiving).During that rehearsal, the hi-hat/ride DCP just switched all the channels to 1.If it was one channel and/or if the cymbals went to 19 or 21, I would blame the drummer.All of them going to 1 must be a DCP issue, though.I don't know if the DCP rebooted, or not.All I know is that the sound, immediately, changed.This was in the middle of a song (or maybe between songs, but during the rehearsal).That's the only time this issue has occurred.I came in, for our Friday night sound-check (I was doing front-of-house sound) and the drummer was playing around on the kit.The monitor system was on, but the house system wasn't.I heard what I thought was a building alarm.It was intermittent and reminded me of a horn.I was about to call our facilities guy when the monitor guy yelled out that it was the cymbal channels.The drummer power-cycled the crashes DCP, and it stopped.That's the only time that issue happened.Another thing that has been noticed is that the cymbal sleeves (little rubber cylinder that goes between the cymbal hole and the cymbal stand rod) are pretty shot.The Cymbal holes have cut into the rubber.It seems like a hard plastic sleeve would be better.I think they used rubber to minimize cymbal spin, but they still spin a lot.I, usually, have to adjust the cymbals, every couple songs.The Anti-Spin Mount doesn't turn, just the cymbal on the Anti-Spin Sleeve.Hehehe...It's possible that I installed them, incorrectly.When looking at re-ordering some, I noticed a Tilter Adapter and Top Washer.I just placed the cymbal over the sleeve and put a regular cymbal washer (the foam bit you put between the cymbal and the wingnut) on top.Maybe those extra bits are supposed to help?I'll be ordering some replacements.Regarding the cymbals spinning...One of the Direct Source Sensors' wire pulled out of it.My guess is that the cymbal turned enough to put tension on the wire.I read about people having that issue, with the nickel cymbals, but I thought it wouldn't be an issue, with the bronze.Also, I assume the issue was the cables disconnecting (1/8" male disconnecting from the 1/8" female).I didn't realize that it disconnected the soldered wires.I'll be ordering a replacement (although we should be able to fix it).We'll be spending an extra $50, on replacement parts, within 6 months.Our sister church in getting into the same position, that we were 6 months ago.Their Roland cymbal pads are starting to mis-trigger and stuff.At this point, I have recommended that they try and find some new pads on eBay.I just can't recommend the Gen16s, at this time.I sent an e-mail, to Zildjian's support, about any new R&D.They said...We are actually releasing a new version of the Access Tool later this summer. We redesigned the processing parameters and placed the focus on controlling characteristics of the sound that are most relevant to the cymbal's tone. In other words, we have taken a lot of the technical work out of the tone shaping process to give drummers a tool that will allow them to dial in their desired tone using characteristics like pitch, tone, stick attack, and wash. This is how drummers talk about cymbals so it makes sense that we would shape them using these characteristics. The new software will create more natural cymbal sounds with a lot of room for adjustment.Hopefully, there will be some improvement in the sound.Honestly, it's been a hard-sell to the band and sound guys.The main front-of-house guy doesn't mind them.He thinks they are better than the Roland cymbal pads.The room (a little less than 2000 seats, with a balcony) probably helps the sound.The other drummers like the feel of them, but don't care for their sound.The main broadcast sound guy would rather just mic them.I'm not super-stoked about their sounds, but none of it really bothers me.I like how the cymbals, themselves, sound.The pickups really change the tone, though (setting the DCP flat is unusable).The front-of-house has a compressor, with attack at 0 (I think), so that it takes out some of the "tink tink" of the ride.I'm pretty happy with the ride, from a front-of-house stand-point.I think it has a nice "wash" to it.I tried recording the cymbals, flat (DCP internal settings all zero'd out).Then, I downloaded some K cymbal sounds from Zildjian's website.Adobe Audition has a really great frequency analyzer, that I tried to match the DCP settings with.I failed, miserably (and I've used it, for other things, in the past).There is no level of EQ that can create tone that doesn't exist.This sounds like a bad review (and it, kind of, is), but they aren't terrible.Just be caution of reviews from people that have only used the product for a couple of days.At this point, I just don't think the technology is there.I really want to enjoy this product.Currently, we're enduring it.It does what we need it to do.It doesn't do what we want it to do.JJ
Music background: Many-year Church Drummer
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