I'm looking for the highest quality sounds, the most expandable,
with a piano realistic 88 Keys fingertouch,
and offering to generate any kind of sounds.
The models in "competition" are :
Korg Triton Studio ProX
Yamaha Motif 8
Kurzweil K2600AXS
Highest quality sounds ? really no idea !
Piano's, orchestral ones and Organ are the most valuable for me.
Probably there Kurzweil goes far, but how do the Motif 8 ?
The Triton Studio ProX has a new 88 Keys, better than Triton ProX.
But how to compare it to Motif 8 ( Yamaha owns Korg ... ) and to K2600 ?
Ability to generate any sounds ... sounds like Physical Modeling, no ?
I did not find anything regarding Physical modeling on the K2600.
Korg Triton and Yamaha Motif-S80 are able to do this thru expensions.
But what about Kurzweil's "Tripe Modular Processing" ?
Is it equivalent ?
Why ? I'll like to make New Age relaxing music.
So forget it about songs of 3 minutes ... that's just the intro !
I have been a Korg owner since the M1 was introduced and just recently purchased a K2600. I have also purchased the Trinity and Triton. Here's my opinion and hope it helps you out some. For realistic sounds, Kurzweil wins hands down!! The Kurzweil is the most powerful synth/sampler I have ever owned and am constantly being blown away by its engine. However, the Triton comes fully loaded with great sounds for New Age, great effects, strings, etc. The acoustic piano sounds on the Korg are lame compared to the K2600. But Triton's acoustic guitars sound great to me. I'm sure the Kurzweil has some sounds that could compete but you have to buy CD-ROMS. Triton is already loaded and ready to go out of the box. So basically for great acoustic sounds "out of the box" the Kurzweil will ALWAYS win! For synth sounds, complex textures, distorted guitars, the Triton wins "out of the box." As I said the Kurzweil can probably compete with the Triton in those areas but you're gonna have to find the right CD-ROM 1st.
Take care.
P.S. I thought the Yamaha Motif had some cool features (but the K2600 out does it) and the acoustic, brass and organ sounds were lame. Sounded like the typical FM synthesis.
Ok..mountainman is absolutely correct I have been in the music stores trying to find what sounds are the best for pianos and Kurzweil is the best sounding piano sound I have heard yet..now, the Korg tritton is fully loaded as if you were buying a Lexxus Luxuary Car...it has some power too. Now, with the Kurz...its not fully loaded and u would diffinately have to purchase an update sounds {modules}..its very heavy and weigh for me which is one of the reasons next to there is no bass sounds already there and mainly i love the pianos..sounds on the Kurz. Now, Iam narrowing it down to Yamaha P80..for many reasons,,,its not so heavy in weight and it gives me a fully loaded features..and its within my price range..also the Kurzweil SP 88X is too..if I could take the 2 digitals Kurz + Yam + Roland RD l50 {Bass sounds}I would have the great digital piano I want and be l00% satified with my selection...but, I can't get them all as far as price range.
Overall I would choose the Kurzweil for the clear crisp piano sound. Oh,, its just for my home anyway. Good Luck
I have a Triton ProX and don't like the stock piano sounds at all. I have just purchased some Ilio Piano Samples and am anxiously waiting to get a few memory tech issues resolved to see if that will enable the Triton to produce a convincing piano. I'm going to be seriously bummed if it can't deliver!
If I had it to do again, I think I would have gone for the K2600 due to the better reproduction of acoustic sounds. However, the Triton seemed easier to learn and navigate since it had a larger screen for the UI. It does make some cool sounds and I can truly say the the Triton is an awesome machine. I really wish I could afford both!
I have since talk to u last took back my yam p80, and s80,,,now, i have the rs-9 roland. I has all the sounds that i want some are nice. Tryin out keyboard is like some features u like in a new car and some u don't. Well now i have the roland my fingers do alot of slide off the light weighted keys. I need to make a final decision with a budget of 1,000. the yams has nice wieght heavy..to heavy to carry for me i could life the yam p80 but it wasnt enough sounds..i wanted was nice piano sounds, bass, guitar, sings..is a must. now the pl2o has more sound than the yam p80,,i didn't care for the piano sound much. I could purchase a sound module in the future to slove this problem..but,, iam not even sure that those sounds i would be please with..maybe i have played my acustic piano to much..haha. Any suggestion..let me know.
Kurzweil has the highest quality natural, acoustic sounding instruments. Without having to over process their sounds, I think it has the most realistic acoustic instrument emulations. It is also quite expandable with the three existing boards, Contemporary, Orchestral and the new Triple Strike Piano, with another supposedly to come at some time in the distant future. Kurzweil's action is pretty good, but a little clackity for me. VAST synthesis architecture can do great Virtual Analog stuff, just listen to some of the setups. The piano is excellent and the Live B3 organ emulation where the sliders act as drawbars gives a lot of control over organ sounds. The voice stealing algorithm is very good and stretches the limited 48 voice polyphony as far as it can go, but if you're doing a lot of sequencing, you will run out of poly pretty quickly.
Korg Triton Studio ProX - is not released yet, so I have to go based on the Triton. The action is the worst of the three IMNSHO. Synths are good, but you really need to add the MOSS card to get a good virtual analog out of it. Good FX, pretty good synth engine. The Studio Triton is very expandable and can accept all of Korg's current excellent expansion cards. Organs are nice but not as good as Kurz or Motif. Korg is traditionall very weak on pianos, but the Bosendorfer 16MB Piano ROM that comes standard in the Studio Triton sounds pretty good to me. If you want to do things with more acoustic and vintage sounds, I'd pass on the Korg in favor of the Kurz, but if you are into more current sounds, the Triton Studio is a great board.
Yamaha Motif 8 - The action is really nice on this one. The sounds are very good, the pianos are excellent and the organs aren't bad either. For me, the user interface is not nearly as friendly as the Kurz or Korg until you get used to it. The free instructional DVD does an excellent job of explaining and walking you through the features though. Although the sounds are high quality on the Motif, I don't think they are up to the quality of the Kurz. Also, while the VA sounds on the Motif are very good, I think if you're into programming, you'll find that the synth engine on the Kurz is much deeper. Motif has great support through its Motifator site and you can add three expansion boards that don't just give you additional PCM sounds like most expansion cards, but actually give you entirely different synthesis methods, like FM (throught the DX card) Virtual Analog (through the AN card) and virtual acoustic modeling (through the VL) card.
Highest quality sounds ? I'd say the Kurz.
Piano's, orchestral ones and Organ are the most valuable for me. I'd say a tie between Motif and Kurz.
Probably there Kurzweil goes far, but how do the Motif 8 ? Motif 8 is an excellent synth and half the price of an expanded K-2600 with more polyphony, a less feature rich sampler, the very hip slice with sequence feature, the ability to add new synthesis methods through expansion cards and excellent action, though the user interface is a bit clunkier than the Kurz.
The Triton Studio ProX has a new 88 Keys, better than Triton ProX. Yes
But how to compare it to Motif 8 ( Yamaha owns Korg ... ) and to K2600 ? The Motif and Triton are entirely different synths regardless of ownership. Saying ownership makes them the same is like saying a Dodge Viper is the same as a Dodge Caravan because their both made by Dodge, or the a Mercedes and a Chrysler are the same because the same parent company controls both. Look at the synths and their features, not the ownership.
Ability to generate any sounds ... sounds like Physical Modeling, no ?
I did not find anything regarding Physical modeling on the K2600. You can twist physical modeling around your little finger with Kurzweil's VAST synthesis engine.
Korg Triton and Yamaha Motif-S80 are able to do this thru expensions. The AN expansion gives you virtual analog emulation but it is limited to 5 voice polyphony on the AN card, which is pretty limiting in my opinion. If you want real Yamaha physical modeling get the AN1X which you can get used for only about $400 (which I paid for mine) and then you get 10 voice poly and a lot more modulation options.
If money is not an issue get a fully expanded Kurzweil K-2600XS or better yet the AES (which I have and highly recommend). If you're looking for the best sounds to value ratio, get the Yamaha Motif 8. If you have a lot to spend and are more focused on dance and modern music sounds, then get a Triton Studio.
I have the YAM P120 and this is the finale one..i purchased it for my home. I love the natural feel of this piano..also in the future i will select a sound module, good amp.and or mixer or a pa hookup. I haven't hooked up the p120 yet, but i have had the p80 also, and this s80, and the rs-9 roland. I think the guys was tired of seeing my face for exchanging my piano. Only if they have of put the p120 on the floor like they did the p80..i would of had to haul 3 pianos back and forth. Iam happy with this nice natural feel it reminds me of my acustic piano.
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