Hard Drives

[firinline]

Just wondering does Glyph make internel hard drives. I'm wanting to to add new 2 new hard drives to my G4 466 Mac, and I keep hearing good things things about this company. Also is getting a ATA 100 pci card going to help on speed over the ATA 66 that is already in my mac. Any advise would be appericated, Kevin.

[billbo]

Glyph drives are great, but I can't honestly say exactly what (OEM) drives they use in their products. Think about it, their equipment is pretty damn good, but how expensive do you think their product line would be if they manufactured their own Hard Drives!!!

You can always buy a Glyph drive and pull the actual drive itself out of it, but it'd be cheaper to just buy a bare internal drive. In fact, that's exactly what I did with my old Glyph CD/RW. I now use the Glyph case for a external Jaz (all SCSI BTW, as they're connected to a G3 upgraded 9500/200).

I'd say go ahead and get a ATA 100 card, and add a couple of IBM or Seagate U.DMA/ATA drives. You'd save yourself a bundle compared to buying one external Glyph.

Just my $.02

[bhunt]

So, is it as easy as picking up a quality (and speedy) ATA drive and slapping it into your tower?

If so, you can get a 7200RPM/75GB IBM Deskstar ATA-100 for 239.00 at MacMall. Is this sufficient for hard disc recording?

Are any other pieces of harware needed?

I'm curious as well. I have been contemplating external drives, but the cost difference is highly in favor of internal drives. Huge cost difference between and internal ATA drive and a Firewire drive.

[billbo]

Originally posted by bhunt
So, is it as easy as picking up a quality (and speedy) ATA drive and slapping it into your tower?

If so, you can get a 7200RPM/75GB IBM Deskstar ATA-100 for 239.00 at MacMall. Is this sufficient for hard disc recording?

Are any other pieces of harware needed?

I'm curious as well. I have been contemplating external drives, but the cost difference is highly in favor of internal drives. Huge cost difference between and internal ATA drive and a Firewire drive.

If at all possible, the 10,000RPM drives would yield better (more) track count.

As for the IBM drives, I'd go with the 60GB Deskstars. A lot of people over at the DUC have been reporting problems with 75GB version. I'm sure IBM knows about this and is (hopefully) working on a fix.

It seems that the platters seem to be hitting the read/write heads causing all sorts of (Mac OS) errors and some have even grinded to a halt.
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Ahh...External drives.
In my earlier reply, I stated how expensive external drive solutions can become. Since I'm running on a SCSI based Mac, for me, I've found that you can build a cheap, hilariously amusing External Backup solution as long as you know what you need.

At the end of every semester up at the local university, various department's clean out their storage lockers, closet's, etc...which usually are very outdated PC's or Mac II series CPU's. So, I joined the university's LUG (linux user group) and usually there's a email waiting for me saying that on such and such date, you can come and pick up free computers, scanners, printers, NIC's etc, etc. So, I make sure to wake up extra early the week before-during-and after finals to check my email. Just so that I can get a headstart on those hungover, __________-engineering students.

This semester, I got real lucky. I got a hold of 2 Gateway 486 towers (I picked up two, for more HDD sleds). I took out the MOBO, 3.5" AND 5.25" (LOL :D) Floppy drives, and the IDE (I'd give them away, but they only hold about 450MB's of data, and I'm not even sure if they're ATA compliant) hard drives.

Then installed my old Quantam SCSI-2 drives (I run LVD 160 10K RPM Cheetah's internaly now) into the bare (except for the power supply) case. Since I have the extra room , I'm probably going to move the (Ricoh 6201S) Glyph and Jaz Drive into the slots where the floppies used to reside, and hook them up to a SCSI Port Adapter Bracket (see Attachment) that you can pick up for $15.00 (+ shipping of course).

Now, Firewire and USB wouldn't be as easy of a solution, but you can sure run out of HDD spaces fast. That's the beauty of SCSI. Not that I want to play the F/Wire & USB vs. SCSI War (I am neutral, as I agree with the strong points of each), but, that's the reason why I have stuck with SCSI. It's easy to make your own external enclosure by just tightening a few screws.
Firewire and USB on the otherhand, can be done, but you're going to have to be a little more creative. It's a lot easier to guy and buy a X Project than researching and then collecting all the necessary components.

Whew, I guess I strayed a little bit there!

To answer the question, it's cheaper and easier to add HDD's internaly!!!

:D

Billbo

[bhunt]

My internal/stock drive in my DP500 is a 40GB IBM and has performed wonderfully. I have also heard alot of great things about Seagate drives as well. Currently, you can get 60 and 80GB internal drives under 200 bucks.

Any experience comparing the performance of IBM to Seagate drives?

Close to a purchase here, thanks for sharing your experience.

[SLIPKNOT]

Check out IBM's new gxp120 series. I just installed the 80 Gig model as the recording drive in my G4/450. This series has 40 Gig platters, will do 48MBS sustained, and will outperform last seasons "best" gxp60 series that had 20 Gig platters, that maxed out at 33 mbs. My Beige G3/ 466 tower got the 60 Gig gxp60 as its recording drive( $111@ new egg.com). The original 45Gig gxp75 series hich worked well in the G4, which got accolades and boo's(?) depending on who you read, just found a home in my office iMac.

The gxp 60 is quite a bit better than the gxp75 which is just about out of production except for the 75Gig model. The 80 gig gxp120 will definitely put it to sleep.

The 80 gig model, Properly partitioned for audiofiles on Patition #1, and CD Burning #2 on the outermost platters, + 3 others for: Optimizing #1 and #2, Archiving, and Backup, will nail the scsi gurus coffin closed. (Use Apples Drive Setup and HFS+ partitions for all)

Glyph who? Seagate who?

Check out various articled on xlr8your mac, bearfeats, OWC ( who use the gxp's in their FW Elite external drives) etc.

www. newegg.com IS the cheapest, but they do not include mounting screws (duh!)

[SteveR]

I was recently looking for a second HD for my G4/400 and after nearly buying a 40 gig deskstar GXP, I read too many good reviews for the Fujitsu MPG3409 40 gigger. I bought one and it's been top quality compared to my existing Western Digital 10gig stock drive.

The Deskstar would be my second choice but I just can't see a reason not to go for the Fujitsu. I'm sure someone will find a bad review. I couldn't.

Cya

SteveR

[newness_of_life]

glyph uses either IBM or Seagate for their drives... I own 2, one of each... they're OK, but I feel like I maybe should have just bought the drive without this glyph logo on it, you know?

OH, btw, I use these for a non-Mac setup... I hope that helps!

[graham]

firewire external. You can get over 150 gigs for under $500, and you can run your daw's audio files right off of the drive. i would suggest maxtor. gl.