serious tempo problems in latest recording

[StrykeBack]

I brought in a friend to work on a song that the local radio station wanted to put out. He had all kinds of tempo changes. We started by recording the very difficult bridge at about 196...double timed...then after pushing that out of the way I went back to the beginning and found a tempo he liked at about 108 with some delay going on his guitar...then the precorus and chorus are clocked at 80...to make matters worse i didn't realize that when changing tempos the tracks had been shifted around since the others were silent and he was only singing against one track that he thought was lined up right. we did a scratch vocal since he needs to come back but that got set at about 108 when it will only start at 108 with a pickup beat and be mostly with the 80 bpm prechorus and chorus. This is my first time really dealing with tempo changes in cubase sx2....Would anybody like to volunteer how far I've got myself up the creak without a paddle?
Any comments? Is time stretching some of the audio to match a certain tempo possible or am i just going to degrade the audio to nothing doing that or should i scratch the 2 to 3 hours we wasted and do it all over again?
help!?!

Daniel

[michaelhoddy]

It's possible, but the tempo differences you have there are extreme enough that you'd notice it immediately. I'd re-track.

Usually, for a song with changing tempi, you would create a tempo map. This can certainly be done on your master "metronome" track, although I'm unaware of how to do it in Cubase.

[conguero]

I have virtually no expierience with cubase but check if cubase has a CONDUCTOR track. I know DP has it and I make all my tempo changes there.:banana:

[StrykeBack]

Yeah, I looked into the tempo track, It seems that I would have to have it setup before tracking. In my stupidness I never even thought that the master tempo setting woul affect the track's wavelenths and timing but apparently it does...drastically. damn. How about timestretching? anybody know how to do that efficiently in cubase? I remember that it was pretty easy in protools...just highlight the length you want it to fill and click away.

[lvjazzman]

You have to watch out when using any time stretching no matter the platform. It tends to make things sound very bad if used for more than the smallest of adjustments... Again, sounds like you may need to re record, sorry.

[djui5]

Originally posted by lvjazzman
You have to watch out when using any time stretching no matter the platform. It tends to make things sound very bad if used for more than the smallest of adjustments... Again, sounds like you may need to re record, sorry.


I'll second...or third this.....

BTW...what's with the extreme tempo changes? Sounds really wacked to me...

I can understand playing double time or even tripple time at half notes..but those tempo changes don't even make sense.....

[StrykeBack]

It's apparently emo punk...does that style ever make sense?
He had these parts all planned out and those were his tempos as he played and i tried to match it for easier editing later on...not noticing the other tracks wavelenths shortening or lenthening as i changed tempos
Actually right now it seems that the only track really screwed up was the vocal track that we only did a part of anyways.
So now i've created a new project and have setup the tempo track to change and i'm trying to drop all the wav files into place and its a pain in the rear end to line them up exactly...that and i've got BFD going to hear how the tempo changes sound...i'l show him and see if he'd like to keep this song consistent istead of what he has. If a songs playing at about 108 and you double time it....does the tempo not double to 216? correct me if i'm wrong here.

[djui5]

Originally posted by StrykeBack
It's apparently emo punk...does that style ever make sense?
He had these parts all planned out and those were his tempos as he played and i tried to match it for easier editing later on...not noticing the other tracks wavelenths shortening or lenthening as i changed tempos
Actually right now it seems that the only track really screwed up was the vocal track that we only did a part of anyways.
So now i've created a new project and have setup the tempo track to change and i'm trying to drop all the wav files into place and its a pain in the rear end to line them up exactly...that and i've got BFD going to hear how the tempo changes sound...i'l show him and see if he'd like to keep this song consistent istead of what he has. If a songs playing at about 108 and you double time it....does the tempo not double to 216? correct me if i'm wrong here.


emo-punk...hahahahaha....cracks me up...whatever



108x2=216..correct...half time 140bpm would be 70bpm..

[djui5]

it would probably be better to pick one tempo..then do the changes as double time...or dotted notes...etc...

[StrykeBack]

thats what i was thinking...kids these days...emo-punk....:bunny:

[michaelhoddy]

It's apparently emo punk...does that style ever make sense?

Now that just made me laugh out loud. These young whipperschnappers and their emo-punk...