Wow!

[djcrazye]

"Don't be fooled you don't need Pro Tools"

"I did not think I would start someting this big" If you want to call it big.
I love PT it is Industry standard and nothing can touch it! But I was just making a statemet to people out there that might want to start recording AT HOME and are wondering where to start, because it's easier to get a "RENTED" copy of Vegas from Kazaa or some where else.

Since the FREE version of PT will not work on XP. Anyone recording for the first time needs to start some where. ONCE AGAIN I AM A HUGE FAN OF PT I AM NOT KNOCKING IT.





http://www.djcrazye.com

[michaelhoddy]

But I was just making a statemet to people out there that might want to start recording AT HOME and are wondering where to start, because it's easier to get a "RENTED" copy of Vegas from Kazaa or some where else.

So if some people broke into your house to "rent" some stuff for awhile, you know, just to get themselves started in a new apartment with some furniture and a TV and whatnot, nothing major, I'll take it you wouldn't mind? After all, everyone needs to start somewhere...

[atma]

that isn't really an accurate analogy. it'd be more like, if you could magically make perfect duplicates of all your furniture and gave them to someone.. the designers wouldn't get any royalties for their designs, but no actual stock is being lost, and just in my personal opinion the majority of the time the person wouldn't have purchased the product if it hadn't been available for free. however i know a huge amount of artists in the electronic community, (mostly young people that are strictly computer based) and every single one of them uses pirated software (just like everyone downloads mp3s at this point) and the consensus i always hear is they would buy the software they used if they actually made money from the music they make with it.

[atma]

by the way i want to add that i'm not in any way condoning the use of pirated software, i was just adding a relavent observation based on my experience with this issue.

[xstatic]

Saying they would buy the software is much easier than actually stepping up to the plate and paying for it when funds permit.

[michaelhoddy]

Yeah, I wasn't really going for accuracy in the analogy. I just find that using the word "rented" is a semantical little game of sorts, to distract one from the essence of what's really going on.

I totally feel for the starving artists of the world. But I also think that the idea that someone can't come up with a couple hundred bucks for a piece of legit software is in reality probably a very rare and exceptional case. Most of these "poor" artists probably own a TV, a car, and many other things that are definitely luxuries in the rest of the world.

I remember when I was 12, I wanted a Nintendo. My mom said "Well, if you want it so bad, go out and work for it." So, I got a paper route, saved up a couple hundred bucks, and bought my Nintendo and some games. What my mother did was a very good thing. I'm inherently pretty lazy, but she taught me that I'm really not "entitled" to anything, and that if I want something, I've got to be creative and find a way of making it happen. I'm pretty much a moron by the world's standards, so I think that anyone can do that.

I have a bunch (too much!) of gear now. But there was also a time not that long ago where I had literally $10 to my name. And it could happen again. Easily. I've been very blessed by circumstances outside of my abilities or control. But I've also worked pretty hard along the way. The thing that makes me most angry about software piracy is that in many cases, I've paid a lot of money for exactly the same software. And I'm not exactly rolling in cash, either. It just doesn't seem all that fair, and it's definitely not very honest.

[michaelhoddy]

Oh yes, so I don't just end up spewing self-righteous crap, here's the throw-down:

If anyone is or can find me a starving artist who is truly "starving," and by that I mean someone for whom the purchase of a legitimate piece of necessary recording software (I don't mean plug-ins or other frills) would literally make them unable to provide food, clothing, or shelter for themselves and their family, I will buy them a legit license for their software.

Such a person would need to outline their financial situation briefly, and be willing to provide me with an outline of what their art is, and so forth, and who would also be willing to at least produce a couple of pieces of documentation to back that up. Nothing undue or overly invasive, but enough to establish the actual crisis of need.

PM me.

[djui5]

If I don't get an HD3 Accell system I'm going to loose a limb due to gang green......

[StrykeBack]

I totally agree with you guys. Now being the poor college student that I have...granted thats probably because of all the gear thats I now own...but a few years back in high school I remember finding copies of highend graphics programs that I learned a lot of stuff off of...but never would i be able to afford thousands of dollars in these programs. I also learned the ways of midi with cakewalk pro9 and later cubase. That said, would I being 13 or 14 be able to shell out big bucks for these programs to learn. I think not. Do i own any (i should say possess) any pirated software, the answer is no. Now that I have a job and in school, and a sense of right and wrong...I have used my hard earned money to purchase high end software...Steinberg certainly made their money back from me learning off an old copy of cubase vst to now owning and very happy with my purchase of cubase sx2.

Is it wrong. yes. And the big problem that I see is that it is getting even worse as connection speeds become faster and easier to obtain. Soon, making money off of audio cds and dvd movies will be gone and where will our jobs be? On the upside, atleast for software, I think letting jr hgh and hgh shcools get their feet wet with their software raises up a whole new generation of users that might not have ever set eye on the product.
Heres my take, once you have a job and have money, or rich parents, and you have pirated software...you should start loosin fingers or toys for every piece thats on your hard drive :)

[edhunt]

Originally posted by StrykeBack
Heres my take, once you have a job and have money, or rich parents, and you have pirated software...you should start loosin fingers or toys for every piece thats on your hard drive :)

Hey if that were the case, it would be a lot easier for all of us (good, upstanding, morally right people:D ) to find work, because all the guys that are underbidding us would be reduced to mouse clicking and fader pushing with a bloody stump.:evil: :evil: :evil:

Edward

[LTA]

Originally posted by edhunt
Hey if that were the case, it would be a lot easier for all of us (good, upstanding, morally right people:D ) to find work, because all the guys that are underbidding us would be reduced to mouse clicking and fader pushing with a bloody stump.:evil: :evil: :evil:

Edward

The stumpy engineers would probably be driven to become better engineers, simply because they wouldn't be so inclined to resort to editing it in the mix.Pretty soon you'd have to cut your own fingers off too, in addition to lowballing the competition, just to get work. :bunny:

[edhunt]

That is funny, I will keep my knife in my pocket for now.

Edward

[JeffBarnett]

Originally posted by xstatic
Saying they would buy the software is much easier than actually stepping up to the plate and paying for it when funds permit.

I hear this all the time... "I don't use cracked software, I just download it to test it out to see if I want to purchase it." Since we are throwing analogies around, here's one for you...

Let's say you want to purchase a new SUV. The Nissan XTerra looks nice, but you're not sure. To know for sure, you need to take it camping. You talk to the salesman, who says, although he'd love to sell you the XTerra, you can't take it home for three days to try it out. (reasonable, right?)

So late at night, you sneak in to the car lot, hotwire an XTerra and "borrow" it for a few days. The Nissan dealership has plenty of XTerras on the lot, so you're not really depriving them of anything they don't have plenty of. And you intend to return it after your test drive. You might even decide to purchase the car, which would put thousands of dollars in their pocket.

Is that stealing? I'm sure the cops would think so, as would almost any reasonable person.

The bottom line is that most software developers don't provide demo versions of their software. It's a policy decision made by somebody high up in the company, and it's not up to us users to make policy decisions for software companies. Developers know that you are more likely to buy the software after a test drive, but they are betting that they would lose more sales than they would gain by offering demo versions.

Why? Because more often than not, demo versions get cracked. And regardless of what people say, statistics have proved that people who have obtained a functional copy of a piece of software are not very likely to purchase it. After all, they already have all the benefits of ownership without spending a dime. The weight of their conscience is the only thing that keeps them from feeling good about it. For most of us, the wallet weighs more than the conscience.

[xstatic]

My point exactly.