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Rad
04-14-2009, 09:56 PM
A blissufl owner of a 400F unit (so far, that is), I recently discovered that my unit has been hit by the infamous "whining phantom power problem" - a high-pitched noise appearing when phantom power is on. Some internet searching revealed that this is a faulty design issue with some of the earlier batches only, but I discovering it only recently since it appears only in the control room outputs, and I wasn't using that particular channel.

The issue, according to an engineer in the Tape Op forum, is due to a faulty design of the DC-to-DC covertor producing the 48V for phantom. There is something in it that runs 6kHz, which is an audio-range frequency, and it bleeds into the rest of the system. In the meantime, 2 of my pots also failed while the unit's warranty expired :scared: .

I contacted Mackie asking them at least if I can get the part number for the pots, but the customer rep I talked to immediately recognized there was a bigger problem and offered me a a B-stock unit as a replacement (without me having asked for one). However, 2 weeks later I found that the guy to whom I talked no longer works there, and the new customer rep refused to honor the promise of a replacement, although I had it in writing.

So, I'm really wondering what my rights are. On the one hand, I sure recognize that the unit is out of warranty. But on the other, this is a known issue, and it is furthermore well known that the problem is faulty design, as opposed to "tear and wear" or a parts failure. In such cases, serious companies issue a recall and perform the repairs for free. (Most car companies will even perform free repairs on any car with a design flaw that is still on the road, regardless of the year of manufacturing.) Apparently, not so with Mackie. And while I can sure take my responsibility for repairs down the road, it really seems wrong for consumers to be left with the cost because someone at Mackie didn't design a component right.

What is your take on this? I'm wondering if I have any grounds to pursue this further, or is it really better to "invest" my Onyx into the trash bin?

Smithcok
04-14-2009, 10:56 PM
I'd press Mackie about it, especially if its a known issue.

(On a side note, for context) At school, we have an SSL Alpha Link. We had the problem (common with early units apparently) where the outputs were oscillating in the 4.6k region. It was a low level, but it correlated between channels, so on mixdown = yuck! It ended up being an adjustment on the voltage going to the other boards off the power supply, but SSL took care of us and got a new unit right away (even though opening it up and adjusting things got rid of the noise).

I think manufacturer's should definitely take care of significant known problems for free.

DAS
04-15-2009, 07:25 AM
Once the warranty expires they don't have to do anything unless you are willing and able to push it to the point where you can prove gross negligence on their part. (That's an oversimplification, but you get the idea.) Faulty design is one of the things covered under the limited warranty. When it expires...it's expired.

In the case of a company like SSL, they are charging top dollar for their excellent products. I would expect nothing less from them. As you go down the food chain things are often different. I agree that you can and should probably press the issue with Mackie on the oscillation issue. You may have to buy the pots as you originally planned.

Did you get this unit from us? If so we can probably go to bat for you and make something happen.

Rad
04-15-2009, 09:41 PM
I bought that particular unit before I had started shopping with Sweetwater. I think I'm not investing anything above $150 in repairs of a unit that already has issues... and besides, there's always RME, you know... in the end, with this kind of doing business Mackie are just shooting themselves in the leg - suffice it to take a quick look at their forums to realize people are already voting with their feet and pockets for other brands!

And here I think is the part making the problem, although I'm still verifying the details.

Rad
04-23-2009, 04:18 PM
Actually, some news in support of what I was saying above -- it appears that Mackie is currently pulling the 400F off the market, because it is no longer sold or in stock with any of the major US retailers. I take this as a sign that customers have indeed switched to other brands after all these defects, because the MOTU 828 and RME Fireface are still there as they were when the Onyx was launched. Now it's heading the way of the dinosaur.

This makes it Mackie's second failed FireWire interface in a row after the Satellite! No doubt due to their excellent engineering and customer service :D but nonetheless, I feel like I've been redeemed because at least "time has told" the true value of these units.

Hipster Dofus
04-23-2009, 04:46 PM
I don't use the Firewire option, but I sure do like my Onxy 1620 board so far. I have had it over a year now, and I love the pre's live. I have heard some bad stuff about the lower end Onyx interfaces though.

Rad
04-23-2009, 04:50 PM
The boards are fine, from what I know! And they use the same Onyx preamp type, but in an audio interface the digital connectivity and power supply makes a huge difference and there's precisely where they failed. Because otherwise the 400F unit was intended to rival some higher-end RME units, and its convertors are actually pretty decent. Good ideas, but poor execution -- what else can I say!